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[dnh, ndnh, nndnh] A weapon and a monster question
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Janis Papanagnou
2024-08-11 22:40:08 UTC
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Two unrelated questions from my current notnotdNethack game...

I killed a Leviathan that is (according to the Wiki) supposed
to have an artifact, the Diadem of Amnesia. But, when dying, it
didn't drop anything; I wonder why.

I've found a strange attributed weapon that I first stashed away.
Now I spent a scroll of identify to see that I've got "a greased
+10 burning blood-drenched rakuyo". I wonder where I've got that
from since the Wiki says that they "are not randomly generated,
though they can be found in bones or wished for." - I'm not sure
whether I shall swap it with my currently wielded Stormbringer.
Yet I'm unskilled with sabres; the rakuyo is one. Its attributes
also indicate that my insight level got 40+ (according to Wiki),
BTW.

Suggestions and insights are welcome.

Janis
Janis Papanagnou
2024-08-12 17:05:06 UTC
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Post by Janis Papanagnou
[...]
I've found a strange attributed weapon that I first stashed away.
Now I spent a scroll of identify to see that I've got "a greased
+10 burning blood-drenched rakuyo". I wonder where I've got that
from since the Wiki says that they "are not randomly generated,
though they can be found in bones or wished for." - I'm not sure
whether I shall swap it with my currently wielded Stormbringer.
[...]
An excellent weapon! - Only that I seem to have hit (obviously two
times) some creature that removed enchantments - it's now at +8,
and I think this is irreversible and (due to its high enchantment)
can also not be re-enchanted. And it has the side-effect that the
fire-blast killed peaceful creatures, so my god got mad and I also
lost my divine protection; this makes it a bad weapon in practice.

Janis
Ron Nazarov
2024-08-14 20:44:56 UTC
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Post by Janis Papanagnou
Post by Janis Papanagnou
[...]
I've found a strange attributed weapon that I first stashed away.
Now I spent a scroll of identify to see that I've got "a greased
+10 burning blood-drenched rakuyo". I wonder where I've got that
from since the Wiki says that they "are not randomly generated,
though they can be found in bones or wished for." - I'm not sure
whether I shall swap it with my currently wielded Stormbringer.
[...]
They can be found in deep one village inclusions in the outlands
(underwater in the 1x1 pool), as well as the inventory of certain
monsters, including player monsters. Since it came greased and +10 it's
likely that you got it from the castle chest, which contains the
inventory of several player monster prisoners. You should fully
identify it if you haven't already as there's a chance it might have an
object property.

If you can twoweapon with it it's good as an offhand. Even if you can't
do that without a significant to-hit penalty (too heavy), remember that
you can apply it to split it into a rakuyo-saber and rakuyo-dagger,
which might be light enough to twoweapon with.
Post by Janis Papanagnou
An excellent weapon! - Only that I seem to have hit (obviously two
times) some creature that removed enchantments - it's now at +8,
and I think this is irreversible and (due to its high enchantment)
can also not be re-enchanted.
Rakuyos can be safely enchanted to +10 (or from +9). This is shown in
the in-game description as "Holds enchantments extremely well." Several
other weapons also share this property, specifically: blades of mercy,
isamuseis, bestial claws, any weapon with the rakuyo, blade of mercy, or
club-claw object properties, and any artifact with the ARTI_PLUSTEN
property (you can search artilist.h for a full list).
Post by Janis Papanagnou
And it has the side-effect that the
fire-blast killed peaceful creatures, so my god got mad and I also
lost my divine protection; this makes it a bad weapon in practice.
It's a good weapon if you are careful not to use it near peacefuls
(switching to your offhand weapon with x is a free action) or don't care
about killing peacefuls. Just killing peacefuls should not make you
lose divine protection; you must have killed a coaligned priest.
Janis Papanagnou
2024-08-14 22:13:42 UTC
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Thanks for the explanations!
Post by Ron Nazarov
Post by Janis Papanagnou
[...] "a greased +10 burning blood-drenched rakuyo". [...]
They can be found in deep one village inclusions in the outlands
(underwater in the 1x1 pool), as well as the inventory of certain
monsters, including player monsters.
I've not got it from a pool; yet I didn't dive in pools. So probably
a player monster's death-drop, if I understand correctly.
Post by Ron Nazarov
Since it came greased and +10 it's
likely that you got it from the castle chest,
Hmm.., I don't think so, but I'm not any more remembering the details
or circumstances of the finding; I seem to recall it having been a
death-drop.
Post by Ron Nazarov
which contains the
inventory of several player monster prisoners. You should fully
identify it if you haven't already as there's a chance it might have an
object property.
It's already identified as depicted above. (Or is there another level
of magic property where the blessed scrolls of ID doesn't suffice?)

It has that fire-property, but as far as I understand that is related
to an insight effect (triggered by me) and not a weapon property.
Post by Ron Nazarov
If you can twoweapon with it it's good as an offhand. Even if you can't
do that without a significant to-hit penalty (too heavy), remember that
you can apply it to split it into a rakuyo-saber and rakuyo-dagger,
which might be light enough to twoweapon with.
I'm playing some huge winged-race Barbarian and my stats are maxed
so there's not much of any penalties.

I've never considered using its split-function though. Partly because
I don't want to lose my yellow dragon's shield protection so I avoid
two-weaponing. But it's also already a very good weapon as it is; at
+10 with that fireball damage it's usually even more efficient than
the +7 Stormringer that I alternately use. (And I also have that ring
that makes hit targets sleep/paralyse, and often even with the first
hit that is already deadly to most standard creatures.)
Post by Ron Nazarov
Post by Janis Papanagnou
An excellent weapon! - Only that I seem to have hit (obviously two
times) some creature that removed enchantments - it's now at +8,
and I think this is irreversible and (due to its high enchantment)
can also not be re-enchanted.
Rakuyos can be safely enchanted to +10 (or from +9).
I'm always reluctant to try out unknown features if that may mean
a destruction of the item in case I misunderstood. - Okay, so I can
enchant it again to +10. This is fine with my tons of spare scrolls
of enchant weapon available.
Post by Ron Nazarov
This is shown in
the in-game description as "Holds enchantments extremely well."
A bit cryptic a description.
Post by Ron Nazarov
Several
other weapons also share this property, specifically: blades of mercy,
isamuseis, bestial claws, any weapon with the rakuyo, blade of mercy, or
club-claw object properties, and any artifact with the ARTI_PLUSTEN
property (you can search artilist.h for a full list).
Yeah, that's a file I occasionally take informations from.
Post by Ron Nazarov
Post by Janis Papanagnou
And it has the side-effect that the
fire-blast killed peaceful creatures, so my god got mad and I also
lost my divine protection; this makes it a bad weapon in practice.
It's a good weapon if you are careful not to use it near peacefuls
(switching to your offhand weapon with x is a free action) or don't care
about killing peacefuls.
(For a long time I switched between the two weapons mentioned above.
And I have quite some more artifacts in by bag and in my home stash,
but most seem not very appealing to use.)

But its property to start casting fireballs behind the target makes
it extremely unhandy in practice, i.e. once there are so many monsters
spawned - I suspect there's some increase in monster generation over
time (at least it appears so to me).
Post by Ron Nazarov
Just killing peacefuls should not make you
lose divine protection; you must have killed a coaligned priest.
Not sure when and where it happened. All I can say is that monsters
got mad when they stepped into a pit of mine or got indirectly hit
by that weapon's property. And I didn't take notes of monsters that
lost their peacefulness; if there's some (now or generally) hostile
monster I just kill it.

WRT the lost protection; I recovered it from scratch with the help
of my stash of gold (100k+), even at XL:30.

Janis

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