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Multiple blessed luckstones?
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c***@juno.com
2006-10-30 19:50:10 UTC
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Is there a benefit to having more than one blessed luckstone? I already
have a blessed luckstone and an uncursed one -- should I spend a holy
water on the latter?

Also, must the luckstone be in the open inventory, or will it still
work in a container?
Raisse the Thaumaturge
2006-10-30 20:21:08 UTC
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Post by c***@juno.com
Is there a benefit to having more than one blessed luckstone? I already
have a blessed luckstone and an uncursed one -- should I spend a holy
water on the latter?
No; and you can stash the uncursed one until you need it (if the one
you've got gets stolen or cursed).
Post by c***@juno.com
Also, must the luckstone be in the open inventory, or will it still
work in a container?
It must be in the open inventory. Luckstones in a bag don't do anything,
except wait until you need them.

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Link
2006-10-30 23:27:30 UTC
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Post by c***@juno.com
Is there a benefit to having more than one blessed luckstone? I already
have a blessed luckstone and an uncursed one -- should I spend a holy
water on the latter?
Also, must the luckstone be in the open inventory, or will it still
work in a container?
There is no benefit to having more than one blessed luckstone.
However, you could curse your extra luckstone. If you pray at an
altar, and the only luckstone in your open inventory is cursed, then
you guarantee that you cannot be crowed from that prayer. This could
allow you to get a large amount of free junk for praying at an altar,
though that might get boring after a while.
Ugly Newt
2006-10-31 00:07:37 UTC
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I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.games.roguelike.nethack when
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However, you could curse your extra luckstone. If you pray at an
altar, and the only luckstone in your open inventory is cursed, then
you guarantee that you cannot be crowed from that prayer. This could
allow you to get a large amount of free junk for praying at an altar,
though that might get boring after a while.
Isn't there a chance of your deity uncursing the luckstone?
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Link
2006-10-31 01:19:31 UTC
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Post by Ugly Newt
I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.games.roguelike.nethack when
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However, you could curse your extra luckstone. If you pray at an
altar, and the only luckstone in your open inventory is cursed, then
you guarantee that you cannot be crowed from that prayer. This could
allow you to get a large amount of free junk for praying at an altar,
though that might get boring after a while.
Isn't there a chance of your deity uncursing the luckstone?
I forgot about that. Yes, that could happen, so you would need
multiple potions of unholy water. This tactic is only good for the
extremely paranoid person that really really doesn't want to be crowned
when they are doing a prayer-fest for free stuff. If you pray on an
altar without any luckstones in your open inventory, then you'll
usually last long enough to get a bunch of stuff before you are crowned.
Getsome
2006-10-31 03:03:44 UTC
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Post by Ugly Newt
I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.games.roguelike.nethack when
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However, you could curse your extra luckstone. If you pray at an
altar, and the only luckstone in your open inventory is cursed, then
you guarantee that you cannot be crowed from that prayer. This could
allow you to get a large amount of free junk for praying at an altar,
though that might get boring after a while.
Isn't there a chance of your deity uncursing the luckstone?
I forgot about that. Yes, that could happen, so you would need
multiple potions of unholy water. This tactic is only good for the
extremely paranoid person that really really doesn't want to be crowned
when they are doing a prayer-fest for free stuff. If you pray on an
altar without any luckstones in your open inventory, then you'll
usually last long enough to get a bunch of stuff before you are crowned.
What happens when you get crowned?

I'm confused I thought you could only sacrifice to get stuff? Do you pray
or sacrifice?
Ohle Claussen
2006-10-31 08:33:09 UTC
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What happens when you get crowned?
Among other things, your prayer timeout will be _much_ higher from now on.
That usually outweighs the positive effects of it (some intrinsics, maybe
an artifact and a cool name).
Post by Getsome
I'm confused I thought you could only sacrifice to get stuff? Do you pray
or sacrifice?
Sacrifice only to get artifacts. Pray at an altar to get favours from your
deity. Speed up the latter by sacrificing to reduce prayer timeout. Favours
can include usefull stuff like HP, AC and spellbooks. There's a list of
possible favours, with increasing usefulness, ending with crowning. The higher
your luck is, the more items from this list can be granted (with roughly
equal probability). So you want to keep your luck below the point where you
can get crowned, and above the point of the favour you are aiming for.

From http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/pray.txt:

|If your god is very happy with you, your god may grant you a favor.
|Roll 1d(luck+6), divide the result by 2 (rounded up), and look in the
|following table.
|
|Roll: Reward:
|1 nothing
|2 Your weapon is dipped in holy water and any damage is repaired.
|3 You gain 5 maximum hitpoints, your strength is restored, and you
| are no longer hungry. ("You are surrounded by a golden glow.")
|4 First time: "Hark, mortal! To enter the castle, thou must play the
| right tune!" ("Hark, creature! ..." if not human). No effect.
| Second time: Tune to enter the castle is revealed.
| Subsequent times: Same as effect 3 above.
|5 Uncurses all possessions (as blessed scroll of remove curse).
| ("You are surrounded by a light blue aura.")
|6 You gain one intrinsic, selected in order from (Telepathy, Speed,
| Stealth). If you already possess all of them, you gain protection
| as if from a priest, except without the natural AC limits.
|7 You get a spellbook. ("An object appears at your <feet>!") The game
| will try (level+1) times to randomly select a spell you do not
| already know (using the usual object generation algorithm), then
| give you a random book. If holding a magic marker, you may get
| a spellbook of blank paper. The book is always blessed.
|8+ You are crowned. You gain intrinsic fire, cold, and poison resist-
| ance, see invisible, and an alignment-based artifact (Excalibur
| for lawfuls, Vorpal Blade for neutrals, Stormbringer for chaotics).
| Lawfuls must be wielding a non-artifact long sword in order for
| it to be changed into Excalibur.
| If the artifact already exists, or a lawful isn't wielding a
| long sword, your weapon becomes blessed, rustproof, and +1.
| Neutral Wizards will instead get a spellbook of finger of death.
| If already crowned, no effect.
| Prayer timeouts are much greater for crowned characters.

regards,
Ohle
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Janis
2006-10-31 10:39:47 UTC
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Post by Getsome
What happens when you get crowned?
Among other things, [...]
|8+ You are crowned. You gain intrinsic fire, cold, and poison resist-
| ance, see invisible,
... and sleep resistance, and shock resistance, ...
and an alignment-based artifact (Excalibur
| for lawfuls, Vorpal Blade for neutrals, Stormbringer for chaotics).
| Lawfuls must be wielding a non-artifact long sword in order for
| it to be changed into Excalibur.
| If the artifact already exists, or a lawful isn't wielding a
| long sword, your weapon becomes blessed, rustproof, and +1.
| Neutral Wizards will instead get a spellbook of finger of death.
| If already crowned, no effect.
| Prayer timeouts are much greater for crowned characters.
Janis
Ilmari Karonen
2006-10-31 02:41:21 UTC
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Post by Ugly Newt
I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.games.roguelike.nethack when
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However, you could curse your extra luckstone. If you pray at an
altar, and the only luckstone in your open inventory is cursed, then
you guarantee that you cannot be crowed from that prayer. This could
allow you to get a large amount of free junk for praying at an altar,
though that might get boring after a while.
Isn't there a chance of your deity uncursing the luckstone?
I forgot about that. Yes, that could happen, so you would need
multiple potions of unholy water. This tactic is only good for the
extremely paranoid person that really really doesn't want to be crowned
when they are doing a prayer-fest for free stuff. If you pray on an
altar without any luckstones in your open inventory, then you'll
usually last long enough to get a bunch of stuff before you are crowned.
Aren't there easier ways to tune your luck? Just break some mirrors
to get your luck down and then pray whenever you're reconciled.
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Doug Freyburger
2006-10-31 21:30:23 UTC
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Post by Ugly Newt
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However, you could curse your extra luckstone. If you pray at an
altar, and the only luckstone in your open inventory is cursed, then
you guarantee that you cannot be crowed from that prayer. This could
allow you to get a large amount of free junk for praying at an altar,
though that might get boring after a while.
Isn't there a chance of your deity uncursing the luckstone?
I forgot about that. Yes, that could happen, so you would need
multiple potions of unholy water. This tactic is only good for the
extremely paranoid person that really really doesn't want to be crowned
when they are doing a prayer-fest for free stuff. If you pray on an
altar without any luckstones in your open inventory, then you'll
usually last long enough to get a bunch of stuff before you are crowned.
The luck tuned prayer cycle gets "stuff" that is very worth the
effort. Increased hitpoints, better AC, spellbooks.
Post by Ilmari Karonen
Aren't there easier ways to tune your luck? Just break some mirrors
to get your luck down and then pray whenever you're reconciled.
That way is more reliable but not as easy. Switching from a blessed
luckstone to a cursed luckstone is an instant -6 in luck. Starting at
the maximum of 13 that takes you immediately to 7 and that is
enough to not get crowned. The problem is every turn you carry that
cursed luckstone your positive luck can timeout. So every so often
you will need to keep sacing after reconciliation to be sure you are
still at max luck.

Hmmm, great idea. I'll try this next tuned luck prayer cycle and see
how I like it compared to hoarding mirrors and remembering where
co-aligned unicorns are.

Matt Frisch
2006-10-31 11:22:55 UTC
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Post by c***@juno.com
Is there a benefit to having more than one blessed luckstone? I already
have a blessed luckstone and an uncursed one -- should I spend a holy
water on the latter?
No, and the uncursed stone is offsetting the blessed one while you hold it.
Post by c***@juno.com
Also, must the luckstone be in the open inventory, or will it still
work in a container?
Must be in open inventory.
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