Post by Janis Papanagnou
Whatever alignment, if role or race specific artifacts don't apply (any more)
you can always get non-aligned artifacts in addition to the artifacts of your
That's for sure, by the highly coveted Frost Brand! All my comments and my
confusion refer to the situation when the restrictions are meant to apply.
Post by Janis Papanagnou
WRT chaotic artifacts and tactics...
Sometimes folks, specifically when playing chaotics, name appropriate weapons
to immediately get the corresponding namable artifact so that sacrifices will
more likely produce Stormbringer. Personally (when playing chaotics) I often
just pray whenever possible to get crowned early, so that I not only get the
Stormbringer but also obtain the positive side effect of getting the - often
crucial - basic resistances.
My understanding (never tested) is that for some players it is tempting to use
artifact naming for whatever reason. If you name the 2 artifacts and then come
across 2 other chaotic artifact by pure chance rather than sacrificing (very
unlikely), or if you name the 2 and then find a corpse with other 2, or if you
just find the corpse with all 4 (those options somewhat more likely) than you
cannot receive you first sac gift (they are already exhausted) and therefore
any gifts at all. (That's only my understanding of course.) As I don't really
consider Stormy a good choice for early-to-mid-game because of the numerous
possible ill effects, especially likely with my somewhat relaxed manner of
play, I would be really annoyed with having no access to a nice long sword.
Not a fatal problem though - I had some Stormy accessions.
Now, somehow I assumed that the same "exhaustion" effect applies to the role-
based guaranteed first gifts. According to my recent readings it would be
still possible to get past that restriction by changing alignment which
apparently has drawbacks of its own. However it looks like, as per your
advice, the situation is not as dramatic as it sounded to me. Not dramatic
at all, actually, as I almost never accend with the role-based gifts, Mojo
being the only possible exception if my Valk is neutral and the other gifts
are complete rubbish.
BTW, I still haven't found the missing Cleaver. Not that I really care about
it from gameplay point of view, but I still would be happy to have a real
explanation to what has happened, not just theoretical. I shouldn't really
have missed it on the explored levels so the most likely location is the
briefly visited Medusa level (the one with titan, and with no means to
traverse it I chose not to continue). Will post here when (and if) I finish